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Are there harps in heaven? (13/09/13 20:18:26) Reply

    Thanks to Horslips I think some of the mucis may be


What do they burn in hell? (14/09/13 17:51:29) Reply
    If they are using fossil a fossil fuel, my guess would be cannel coal

    "The excess of hydrogen in a coal, above the amount necessary to combine with its oxygen to form water, is known as disposable hydrogen, and is a measure of the fitness of the coal for use in the manufacture of coal gas. Such coal, although of very small value as fuel, commands a specially high price for gas-making. Cannel coal was used as a major feedstock for the historical manufactured gas industry, as the gas produced from it was valuable for lighting due to the luminosity of the flame it produced. Cannel gas was widely used for domestic lighting throughout the 19th century before the invention of the incandescent gas mantle by Carl Auer von Welsbach in the 1880s. Following the introduction of the gas mantle, cannel coal gradually lost favour as a manufactured gas feedstock as the gas mantle could produce large quantities of light without regard for the flame luminosity of the gas burnt."


    Hah - when I was a boy back in the 1950ies and 60ies we used coke for heating. We started the fire with wood and paper, then poured coke over it, closed up the oven and let it glow. Coke - porous and rather light, typically the remainder after coal distillation for coal gas manufacture.

    My parent told me that coal firing was a real nuisance because of the soot and the smell. The big steam locomotives were coal fired, AFAIK. I remember vaguely something about the smell of their smoke - but that must be 1955 or 1956.

    The Diesel

    The steam

    (Ah yes, they were taken out of service in 1957)

And who live on the shores of the Atlantic? (14/09/13 20:55:36) Reply

And how about the steam locomotives? (16/09/13 18:51:35) Reply

    (I think I remember that one)

    (no idea about the coal quality they were using)

Re: And how about the steam locomotives? (18/09/13 21:20:56) Reply
    When I was a kid sometimes we went to play to the railway-cemetery ( if the guard coudn't catch us :D ) - like an open-air museum. I got some documentation off the floors of the half cut up locomotives. One of them was a conversion table between coal and mazut - so obviously they were using that as well. Mazut defined as heavy oil in wiki, but this thing was solid enough - if disgusting - to be shovelable ( suppose it was a nightmare stuff to handle a bit sticky similar to tar ).

    Talking about locomotives if you haven't seen Kray(2010) yet then you want to.

Heavy oil (19/09/13 17:49:16) Reply
    Mazut might have some similarity to bunker oil. (Ugly stuff. It is forbidden in Norwegian waters - standard diesel is mandatory.)


    Steam valves seems to have been a challenge - to constructors and drivers of the locomotives


    Hah - I know the mechanics of the steam engine from elementary school. .no was really backward in the 1960s, ruled as we were of old stalinists (not the police part, but the industry part. Steel, coal, heavy bulk-oriented industries. Margarines from hydrogenated whale or herring oil. Ugly.)

    Lots of interesting stuff in Wikipedia - historical and technical.


    (All of this because I read in one Lucky Luke magazine that they fired their locomotives with pitch/asphalt/bitumen. I could not find a reference for that, so I suppose coal was the preferred fuel anyway).

The lighter qualities (21/09/13 21:06:42) Reply
    In 2018 heating private homes with oil products will be forbidden. But so far we are heating our house in the coldest part of winter with kerosene.

    (A Burmese that I know of used to say that there are two sorts of winter in Norway: The green winter and the white winter. The green one was the worst, because then the Norwegians turned off the heating.)

    Anyway - last winter I let myself be fooled by the tank level indicator, so we ran empty during the worst of the winter. As a preliminary remedy I kept the system running by paying through the nose for "hobby kerosene" - a high-quality lamp kerosene type.

    Today I did the annual maintenance on the heater - changing the wick and removing all the coke deposits from the base of the system. I've been doing this for 26 years, and I've never seen deposits like that before.

    So one might think that oil products are the same and interchangeable. But no - there are specialised additives for the various uses, and one would not like to be without them.

    Plenty room for standard commercial FUD - but maybe sometimes for a reason.

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