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Will there be a repair cycle? (25/10/20 15:32:50) Reply
    Lots need to be repaired because they have lapsed from somewhat functional into completely broken. Some other large systems seem to need complete reconstruction. So where to start?

    In pharmacology, which used to be my real-world calling, and which gave me 40 years of salary plus a wife and a decent pension, there is a rule of thumb: Start low; go slow.
    First thing to be done is identifying those who have already started - low profile, organic growth, minimal hype, and see what can be learnt. Jimmy Wales, of Wikipedia fame, said in a recent interview that he did not succeed in having investor support in the early phase. So he had no chance of becoming Facebook - and now he is happy that he didn't.

    I think we need to look into background culture. We have millions and millions of people who shamelessly declare themselves believers in supernatural powers, resurrection of decomposed bodies, and an almighty creator who did not think about air and did not inform of micro-organisms, and who believed that there is a body of water above the sky that once was continuous with that of the oceans. There are millions and millions of people who are made to or forced to producing more descendants than the earth can carry, and who do not shy away from killing people who think otherwise. How can such people be expected to behave rationally?

    At best, getting rid of Trumo will be only a start. But many on the same level - in other countries - will need to share his fate and go to prison if the evil spell is going to break.

    The legacy that Spinoza founded, deserves to be defended.
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What is Spinoza's legacy? (n/t) (04/11/20 17:17:08) Reply
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Re: What is Spinoza's legacy? (07/11/20 20:04:13) Reply
    Being the first to document that the Bible was inconsistent and unlikely in places. By this he indicated that the Bible could not have been written in collaboration with an all-knowing creator God. Miracles would either be natural phenomena consistent with nature's laws, or superstition.
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Re: Re: You are mistaken sir (12/11/20 17:52:56) Reply
    The things you mention are attributed to another jew, a few hundred of years earlier.
    Try "The Guide for the Perplexed" for a deep run in [to/with] the above and with our old friend Aristotle.


Maybe.  (14/11/20 19:11:59) Reply
    "... the physical structure of the universe, as seen by Maimonides. The world-view asserted in the work is essentially Aristotelian, with a spherical earth in the centre, surrounded by concentric Heavenly Spheres. " (Wikipedia)

    Spinoza made a living from grinding lenses,

    "Huygens studied spherical lenses from a theoretical point of view in 1652–3, obtaining results that remained unpublished until Isaac Barrow (1669). His aim was to understand telescopes.[37] He began grinding his own lenses in 1655, collaborating with his brother Constantijn.[38] He designed in 1662 what is now called the Huygenian eyepiece, with two lenses, as a telescope ocular.[39][40] Lenses were also a common interest through which Huygens could meet socially in the 1660s with Baruch Spinoza, who ground them professionally. They had rather different outlooks on science, Spinoza being the more committed Cartesian, and some of their discussion survives in correspondence.[41] He encountered the work of Antoni van Leeuwenhoek, another lens grinder, in the field of microscopy which interested his father."
    (Wikipedia)

    So Spinoza had a scientific background together with his background as a Jewish scholar. I think it shows. In my interpretation he made a pioneer effort in looking at Jewish scripture through his knowledge of logic and natural laws - and the old scriptures failed. So he was excommunicated - and remains so AFAIK.
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