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|The muslims and the press (04/11/15 21:42:39)||Reply|
And aaa good deal of "radical" ethnic norwegians are sympathising with the islamists because they think they are kept down. But it is their women who are suppressed - and the young ones are voting with their feet after seeing what norwegian girls are doing.
I think it will work out. Most of refugees leave their country to seek something better. But the pressure on the european welfare systems may be more than they can bear.
|Re: The muslims and the press (04/11/15 22:58:59)||Reply|
|Waking the Bear (05/11/15 18:25:04)||Reply|
So there must have been ISIL agents, bought, sympathising or implanted, among the luggage crew. And airport security regarding cargo control must be leaky. It's a blow to Egyptian system. And I suppose the Russian revenge will be heavy and with lots of collateral damage.
I can only close my eyes and shudder.
|Re: Waking the Bear (05/11/15 21:34:09)||Reply|
|Age and news (05/11/15 18:31:33)||Reply|
All this injustice and death and suffering. When I was young I thought I could make a difference. Now I know better.
|Re: The muslims and the press (13/11/15 14:28:24)||Reply|
That's the short-time view, I guess...
On the longer run, these people - if integrated well - will work and pay taxes and contribute to our social security systems.
Germany is - right after Japan - the G8 state with the second highest average age. About 3 years ago, I attended a speech by a guy from Prognos Institute (Basel/CH) about the demographic and economical development of the G20 states.
He assumed, that in 2050 Germany would only have 71 million inhabitants (compared to 81 million in 2012) and that therefore we wouldn't be able to realize severals billions of GDP. From other sources I knwo that there's estimates, that 20 years from now, one employee has to pay retirement pensions for three retired people.
As for Germany: We urgently need these people and should do everything we can to teach them the language, to integrate them into our society and to get them into work asap. Unfortunately, a lot of people seem to ignore this. Once again, fear and envy are stronger than logic and sympathy...
|Re: Re: The muslims and the press (14/11/15 22:57:37)||Reply|
Not this pseudo logic nonsense please, none of these refugees will have a qualified job (did you ever meet a syrian 'engineer' in RL? That is simply nothing, class 8-10 knowledge), so they will earn nothing & pay nothing (low-pay sector [and that is why they are welcome here by the employers].
|On a strange sidenote (14/11/15 23:26:42)||Reply|
In my opinion if you want migrants to integrate you can only take less than what makes up an own community. A single family max two per village. Then they have no choice but integrate. And in those secularised countries where religion IS separated from state I would swear them up to the country's constitution - so that there is no question about if Allah got priority over the country's existing law and order.
|Re: On a strange sidenote (15/11/15 00:30:41)||Reply|
No one here was prepared simply for the number of people, which arrived.
No chance to put them in different parts of the town.
|Re: Re: Re: The muslims and the press (17/11/15 23:20:41)||Reply|
|Re: Re: Re: Re: The muslims and the press (27/11/15 12:22:12)||Reply|
Maybe those people will work but they will not pay taxes or contribute to our social security systems, how could they?
|Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The muslims and the press (27/11/15 21:31:57)||Reply|
|brushin up on my integral calculus (01/06/16 13:16:01)||Reply|
I get 0.030306%
I'm guessing, and bear in mind that I am not an economist, so this is not investment advice, per se. I am guessing this is not going to end well for socialized anything in Sweden.
But surely Germany is different, so I'm sure it will all be fine.
love from the forest
|Re: brushin up on my integral calculus (07/06/16 21:30:46)||Reply|
A bet? A beer in Stockholm in 10 years?
|les critiques de musique (14/11/15 00:32:26)||Reply|
who doesn't love the symphony?
Vive la France!
|Re: les critiques de musique (14/11/15 22:35:35)||Reply|
|Silver (15/11/15 22:17:15)||Reply|
If you are stupid and learned enough, you will know that ammonia can build complexes with silver and dissolve silver oxide under given conditions. If you do that with silver oxide powder, the powder will partly dissolve and penetrate into the pores of the material where you spilled it. It could be a white polymer sink - looking like porcelain, but being a lot lighter and less brittle and breakable. Under such circumstances you will never get rid of the stains when the silver oxide reforms in those pores.
I think it might be an idea to be entirely religion-neutral. In the norwegian system the powers that be have been listening to the mullahs, believing that all people coming from muslim countries are muslims - so the secular people from muslim countries have come into a squeeze where they should not have been owing to violent primitive believers from Pakistan and the Horn of Africa. And we have allowed those Saudi-financed mosques.
All come here to make their fortune. Lots of them come here to work. But they compete directly with those natives of the receiving country who can only ever have simple jobs.
A few immigrants in an area may be stimulating. Too many will be stifling.
|Re: Silver (16/11/15 21:06:47)||Reply|
|Edward Jenner (20/11/15 21:21:06)||Reply|
To return to the topic: The vast majority of the people leaving Syria are ordinary people - I'm sure of that. With those we can make an alliance. Anyway - they can't be sent back - so we have to cope.
It will not be a question of integrating; it will be a question of assimilation. They will need to work - no country can sustain them on welfare. It will be a tremendous pressure on the welfare systems anyway - but if we make an alliance with them, and they can be our protection against islamism. That's one of the dangers they fled from, isn't it? My Iranian colleagues - just ask them what they think of islamism. Why would the Syrians be different?
So we can use them for fortifying our aging population - and they will be our vaccine against islamism if we treat them right. We don't need to repeat the errors of the French and the Belgians and the Swedes.
|Disagreeing with the law, or refusing to acknowledge the physical facts (21/11/15 20:44:38)||Reply|
In Norway, there has been a strong connection between christianity of a really conservative type and complete abstention from alcohol. So one of those urban guys was discussing alcohol with one of those religious people from the bible belt.
"You know - Jesus drank wine. He even made water into wine."
"We know. But we don't like it."
Disagreeing with the law is the right of anyone. Breaking it is a crime.
svd once said something to the effect that morality needs to be internal to everyone. Ordering it does not work. So there is a need to invade the belief systems and the reward systems of those criminal systems. No bombs can do that - only people.
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